An interview with Israeli Chief of Staff General Mordechai Gur
From p.xi of Said's Question of Palestine
, 1979, quoting from
Al-Hamishmar, May 10, 1978.
- Q. Is it true [during the March 1978 Israeli invasion of Lebanon]
that you bombarded agglomerations [of people] without
- A. I am not one of those people who have a selective memory.
Do you think that I pretend not to know what we have done
all these years? What did we do the entire length of the Suez
Canal? A million and a half refugees! Really: where do you
live? We bombarded Ismailia, Suez, Port Said, Port Fuad.
A million and a half refugees. Since when has the
population of South Lebanon become so sacred? They knew
perfectly well what the terrorists were doing. After the
massacre at Avivim, I had four villages in South Lebanon
bombed without authorization.
- Q. Without making distinction between civilians and noncivilians?
- A. What distinction? What had the inhabitants of Irbid [a large
town in northern Jordan, principally Palestinian in population]
done to deserve bombing by us?
- Q. But military communiques always spoke of returning fire and
of counter strikes against terrorist objectives.
- A. Please be serious. Did you not know that the entire valley of
the Jordan had been emptied of its inhabitants as a result of
the war of attrition [1969-70]?
- Q. Then you claim that the population ought to be punished?
- A. Of course, and I have never had any doubts about that. When I
authorized Yanouch [diminutive name of the commander of the
northern front, responsible for the Lebanese operation] to use
aviation, artillery and tanks [in the invasion], I knew exactly
what I was doing. It has now been thirty years, from the time
of our Independence War until now, that we have been fighting
against the civilian [Arab] population which inhabited the
villages and towns, and every time that we do it, the same
question gets asked: should we or should we not strike at
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